(ok, i'll bite) {scratching head} i don't get it ... what's the hyperstitional interest in gay porn?

More than the hyperstitional interest in quarrels within the EU I would have thought...

(hey, here we go again, maybe we can start a double act)

Who's on first?

Ummm, 2012?

nick, nope.

however ... why is 2012 a farce?

northanger - have you been taking trolling lessons? :)

Maybe if I'd entitled it "2012 (Mayan 'apocalypticism') reduced to an absurd farce" ??? - oh never mind

>> Maybe if I'd entitled it "2012 (Mayan 'apocalypticism') reduced to an absurd farce" ??? - oh never mind

oh shucks, mayan = obvious ("twenty-twelve" = hoot). gay angle hyperstitionally intriguing -- unfortunately, it's just lying there. so we're amusing ourselves with classic american comedy while you work on your schtick.

troll lessons? yes, i will be defending my thesis whatchamacallit this weekend.

I notice you open this post with an apology. Good choice.

"Do sour grapes, hard cheese and humble pie count as traditional British cuisine?"

How about journalistic hash?

nope, Babette's Feast.

Is apocalypticism always hyperstitional?

um, yes! :)

is hyperstition always apocalyptic?

No. I don't think so.

Actually, I'm not sure if hyperstition is always apocalyptic. But, I do think apocalypticism might not always be hyperstitional.

Your thoughts???

i don't think hyperstition is always apocalyptic; i think apocalypticism is always hyperstitional.

OK… apocalypticism is a worldview based on the idea that important matters are hidden from view and they will soon be revealed in a major confrontation of earth-shaking magnitude that will change the course of history. It can appear as a tendency, outlook, perceptual frame, or rhetorical style; and can lead people toward passivity while awaiting the inevitiable end, or active prepararation in anticipation of a momentous event. Apocalypticism can be tied to religious or secular views, and the expected outcome can be seen as positive, negative, or ambiguous. Apocalypticism is a frequent theme of literature, film and television. It also influences political policy through movements such as Christian Zionism, and in the dualism seen when politicians demonize and scapegoat their enemies as wholly bad, evil, or even Satanic. This process often involves conspiracism in which the apocalyptic enemy is alleged to be engaged in a conspiracy against the good or Godly people. The tendency was especially evident with the approach of the millennial year 2000, but it need not be tied to a particular calendar date (all according to Wikipedia). It sure sounds hyperstitional. Now thinking about how time factors in. In the 2012 example, the Maya believed that time was cyclical instead of the western conception of linear time. This means that they thought that time repeated itself, so therefore, if they knew the past they could predict the future. This concept of was embodied by what is termed Najt, or the concept of time and space consisting a single entity represented in a spiral format. By understanding time, the Maya believed they could gain power over their world (again Wikipedia). Whether cyclical or linear, it seems time is a key component of apocalypticism. How about hyperstition, how important is time?

a time circuit is at the center of the numogram. however, nick recently made the distinction between Numogrammatic vs. non-Numogrammatic hyperstition.

Have you read Reza’s essay about chronopolytics? He exquisitely discusses that Islam’s Al-Qiyamah technically has no Apocalyptic or revealing theme and its hyperstition comes from the absence of Time with big T, am I right? can anyone help me to find reza’s essay?

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Islamic Chronopolytics I: The Heresy of the Apocalypse
hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/004765.html

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A note on the economic side of The Chronic
hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/004863.html

however, search: hyperstition chronopolytics, and you can grab it from the cache.

Northanger's line highly persuasive IMHO - at least, the mass phenomena generating a historical event or break through an apocalyptic 'idea' (including communism and fascism) seem to pose the clearest warnings viz hyperstition gone bad

Renee's point on cyclicity thought provoking - Could the appropriation of a cyclic concept by a linear historical narrative be essential to apocalyptic thinking? This has happened with the Mayan example (via McKenna) and a (perhaps warped) reading of Cohen might generalize the argument (Sumerian cyclic 'Chaos Monsters' converted into operators of linear mega-transition)

Mohsen - sure Reza will carry his discussion further.
The late 19th C. spasm of Islamic apocalypticism seems to have been recognizably Messianic (Mahdist), but the current wave - focused on the restoration of the Caliphate - supports Reza's 'model' ((big) if I'm understandig it right), ironically because of its more 'secular' (geopolitical) ambition, and thus indifference to 'metaphysical' time-disruption of the Revelations type.

hyperstition gone bad?

Unsatisfactory corpse-heap to shoggothization ratios

then, hyperstition gone good means there's a high ______ count?

Thanks a lot. And where is Reza?

In “Islamic Chronopolytics I: The Heresy of the Apocalypse” Reza writes about a timeless “Now”. Is this were apocalypticism and hyperstitions hover? Cyclicly speaking, where does the unchronologic Now fit? Does it overlap with past, present, future?

GAY PORN CRAZE = ALPHANUMERICS = ILLUMINATION = CONCLUDING ARIA = SPAWN OF SATAN = HOLY OF HOLIES

UNCHRONOLOGIC NOW = UNDECRYPTED SIGNAL = ABSOLUTE COINCIDENCE = ISLAND OF STABILITY = PRIME REQUIREMENT = REAP THOU, AND REJOICE!

PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE = THE PLACE OF ENCHANTMENT

sounds good to me. except ... TIMELESS NOW = POSSIBLE HOAX = HEAVEN ON EARTH

Northanger - viz corpse heaps, you're being deliberately perverse
Your gematria just gets better and better, but it probably gets lost in the blizzard effect for most observers (just guessing)

Renee - don't think i can fill in for Reza on this. Also, much unchartered territory here ... hope we can get back to these questions and address them with the seriousness they deserve ... Major Time post in August, 100% certain (Northanger, don't laugh)

Mohsen - Reza's taking the opportunity for some quiet time, sure he'll be back in the near future

not enough this, too many of that. picky picky.

Beyond laughter - feeling picked on?

yeah, picky picky picky.

:|

sorry to get blizzardly on you, Renee. your questions (ditto Moshen) are intriguing. IMHO, classic apocalypticism involves TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) whether negative or positive — just as you describe above.

however, IMHO, hyperstitional apocalypticism does not have to be chronological religious, cataclysmic, TEOTWAWKI or anything related to the traditional understanding of apocalypticism.

personally? i think of hyperstitional apocalypticism as somewhat anti-climatic.

ps. IMHO, human beings are hyperstitional by nature because we have imaginations. however, when we organize into groups & create rules, etc, hyperstitional fluidity solidifies & stabilizes (ie, reality created by agreement).

i think "reality-based" groups focus on "acceptable" ideas to change something; true hyperstition (if i can say that) considers the full brain-farty palette — no matter how far-fetched (religion, politics, philosophy, conspiracy, yadda) — and, maybe, remaining open-ended about the results.

like, you aim at the bull's eye by not aiming at the bull's eye. or something like that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
Interviewed in 1966 by François Truffaut, Hitchcock illustrated the term "MacGuffin" with this story:

"It might be a Scottish name, taken from a story about two men in a train. One man says, 'What's that package up there in the baggage rack?' And the other answers, 'Oh that's a McGuffin.' The first one asks 'What's a McGuffin?' 'Well' the other man says, 'It's an apparatus for trapping lions in the Scottish Highlands.' The first man says, 'But there are no lions in the Scottish Highlands,' and the other one answers 'Well, then that's no McGuffin!' So you see, a McGuffin is nothing at all."

The uranium hidden in wine bottles in Notorious is a MacGuffin: it is the reason the story takes place, serving to advance the plot. The story could just as easily have used diamonds (which were proposed as an alternative during production, gold or rare wine.

creativegeneralist.blogspot.com/2005/07/on-writing.html
Let's get one thing clear right now, shall we? There is no idea dump, no story central, no island of the buried bestsellers. Good story ideas seem to come quite literally from out of nowhere sailing at you right out of the empty sky. Two previously unrelated ideas come together and make something totally new under the sun. Your job isn't to find these ideas but to recognize them when they show up. —Stephen King, On Writing

in conclusion (ha!), maybe apocalysm happens when hyperstiton starts becoming real. what's the switchover from fiction to fact?

(those of you willing to hack blizzards)

rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-anyone-really-know-what-time-it.html
via :: post-atomic.com/2005/07/rigorous-intuition.html
Some more fun with numbers was posted by "st4" on the Rigorous Intuition forum:

Here's some math. Please correct it if it's wrong:
1394 days since 911
483 days since the Madrid bombing
1394 - 483 = 911

- - - - - - - - -

483=SITUATING THE DISCUSSION

AQ = 1384 = ???
hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/005223.html

01394=NIL, INTELLECTUAL LOGIC PLUTONIC LOOPING THE NEUTRAL CENTER TICK-DISTRIBUTOR

01394=So was it -- ever the same! I have aimed at the peeled wand of my God, and I have hit; yea, I have hit. —Liber Cordis Cincti Serpente I:65

01394=They are as upon the earth; I am Heaven, and there is no other God than me, and my lord Hadit. —Liber AL I:21

65 + 21 = 86

Thanks for your thoughts Northanger.

>ps. IMHO, human beings are hyperstitional by nature because we have imaginations. however, when we organize into groups & create rules, etc, hyperstitional fluidity solidifies & stabilizes (ie, reality created by agreement).

I haven’t thought of human beings as being hyperstitional, well, except for one or two characters. I guess I’ve been thinking of hyperstition as more crafted opposed to organic. Which is it? Or is it both?

>>Thanks for your thoughts Northanger.
:)

which is it? hyperstition is mercurial, IMHO, and as a matter of fact, hyperstition (this blog) was born in june which means it's a gemini which means mercury is its ruling planet. mercury rules the world wide web, communications, etc.

in alphanumeric qabbala, 86 = BLOG-86 = OMEGA

ALPHA = TIME
OMEGA = WHEN (and VOID)