January 29, 2005

Unto the last man

This is not hyperstitional but I couldn’t resist the temptation of posting it here:

Yesterday, I found an Ad’ieh in the street, where I was supposed to wait for my friend.

If you remember Ringu (the Japanese movie based on a novel by Kôji Suzuki) you can guess what an Ad’ieh should be. The theme of the movie is based on the old Middle Eastern practice of (un)Cursing. For example, you love or hate someone, you write a text concerning your plea and the Ad’ieh associated to that plea (Ad’ieh: benediction, communion, an address for summoning) you entitle it as an AD’IEH and cite the number of copies (typically 10-30) that a reader should write. Finally, you should place it somewhere you have not visited before (the place is usually located by chance). Now, the first one who finds the text must copy it according to the number cited in the Ad’ieh and spreading the multiplied copies; each copy should be read or otherwise the reader (the copier) will be cursed – the penalty is usually the curse of death. Therefore, the reader participates to find ‘new’ preys (new readers) and the chain continues, each reader propagates the virus randomly, (un)cursing new people and no one falls into the category of victimhood. The question that remains: what about the last readers who cannot find anyone who hasn’t read the text yet (as usually an Ad’ieh cannot be read twice)? They are potentially cursed, sentenced to death.

Posted by hyperstition at January 29, 2005 07:12 AM

 

 


On-topic:

what did the Ad’ieh you found say?

AQ 72 = AD'IEH = ARPA = BLOG = COME = IMAM = K-OS = MEEM = SAY = VALA

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 07:52 AM

 

 

AQ 207 = (UN)CURSING = THE OLD ONES

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 07:53 AM

 

 

>>> what did the Ad’ieh you found say?

it was written for a sick girl. i remember, once, writing Ad'ieh was very popular here but now, it's very rare.

Posted by: Reza at January 29, 2005 08:49 AM

 

 

Reza - why do you think "This is not hyperstitional"?

Posted by: nick at January 29, 2005 09:01 AM

 

 

>>> Reza - why do you think "This is not hyperstitional"?

well, compared to the recent hyperstition blitzkrieg on the blog, i thought it is not fully hyperstitional :)

Posted by: Reza at January 29, 2005 09:09 AM

 

 

reza reza reza! i remembered something. the VERY FIRST THING you promised to do and have yet to do :be right back!:

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 09:18 AM

 

 

here you go!

i'll get back to you soon about the flag and Kaveh. best, reza

Posted by: Reza at December 14, 2004 03:41 AM
http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/004549.html

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 09:20 AM

 

 

AQ 260 = THE FLAG AND KAVEH = HOOR-PAAR-KRAAT

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 09:34 AM

 

 

>>> found article on Quranic economics absolutely preposterous (poor Pakistan to have such 'experts').

lol ... I described this article as 'crappy' (which of course is very polite) in my original response to u/c. However, it introduces the economic verses of the Quran. BTW, Parwiz book is sometimes engaging; this is a very poor review on his work. Haven't found an English translation of the book but I guess there should be one. Yes, this Time / Interest issue is absorbing me right now; IMHO, Ilinski (Physics, Geography, Economics), Sornette (Geopathology, Economics), Mirowski and Bernstein are the four key economists in regard to this topic. (also should mention Schumpeter's work on interest)

oops ... this doesn't belong here!

Posted by: Reza at January 29, 2005 12:47 PM

 

 

Reza - yes, it's crappy for sure, but also 'interesting' in a ghastly way. Found this section quite revealing:
"10. Allama G. A. Parwez (R) had also told that ‘Interest’ -Riba -was not the name of any specific form other than the capitalism. Riba is actually a Quranic term for capitalism. When the Quran said ‘if you do not refrain from Riba, consider it as a proclamation of war against “Allah and his Rasool”’, it was actually meant that the Economics System of the Quran and the Capitalism (Riba) were diametrically opposite to each other. After the incoming of Islam, maintenance of Capitalism (Riba) is a rebellion against the System of Islam. Riba (or Capitalism) means interest on the capital what ever be its form. Therefore, every kind of interest, profit and loss sharing – Muzaarbat, or Muzaari’at (share of land-produce or mortgage of land) are all but the different forms of Riba and are equivalent to mutiny against the Islamic System."
- made me want to rush off to buy some Citibank stock

Posted by: nick at January 29, 2005 01:13 PM

 

 

PS. Reza - think we've slid into the wrong thread

Posted by: nick at January 29, 2005 01:13 PM

 

 

>>> PS. Reza - think we've slid into the wrong thread

yes, noticed that.

... i have read the original passage in in Parwiz book.

Posted by: Reza at January 29, 2005 01:23 PM

 

 

Nick,

posted your answer in the right place.

Posted by: Reza at January 29, 2005 01:25 PM

 

 

Reza - yes, it's crappy for sure, but also 'interesting' in a ghastly way. Found this section quite revealing:
"10. Allama G. A. Parwez (R) had also told that ‘Interest’ -Riba -was not the name of any specific form other than the capitalism. Riba is actually a Quranic term for capitalism. When the Quran said ‘if you do not refrain from Riba, consider it as a proclamation of war against “Allah and his Rasool”’, it was actually meant that the Economics System of the Quran and the Capitalism (Riba) were diametrically opposite to each other. After the incoming of Islam, maintenance of Capitalism (Riba) is a rebellion against the System of Islam. Riba (or Capitalism) means interest on the capital what ever be its form. Therefore, every kind of interest, profit and loss sharing – Muzaarbat, or Muzaari’at (share of land-produce or mortgage of land) are all but the different forms of Riba and are equivalent to mutiny against the Islamic System."
- made me want to rush off to buy some Citibank stock

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 01:35 PM

 

 

"your answer" LOL

Posted by: nick at January 29, 2005 01:39 PM

 

 

northanger - has the slender thread of sanity finally snapped?

Posted by: nick at January 29, 2005 01:41 PM

 

 

lol ... what’s going on here? Has the old ones' plague impaired the last part of my brain or what?

Posted by: Reza at January 29, 2005 01:48 PM

 

 

"has the slender thread of sanity finally snapped?" - yup

Posted by: northanger at January 29, 2005 02:22 PM

 

 

>>> writing Ad'ieh was very popular here but now, it's very rare.

Reza,
I am writing this comment to bring myself out of a similar curse. Also, recently I have received a forwareded email originally from bill gates, it asks me to forward the mail to 40 other people, and after 40 days . . . .
Ad'ieh is very popular even now.

Posted by: esmail at January 29, 2005 10:26 PM

 

 

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