Some additional tic talk resources:
Undercurrent's Tic Matrix of the first 500 clusters can be found here.
Also from Undercurrent, first nine Von Neumann Ordinals, here.
Still hungry?
Vauung's Tic Matrix of first 127 primes follows:
First 127 Ordinated Primes, with Tic Xenotation, in accordance with plex-precedent cluster-ordering (lexicographic cipher '(:)').
[001] 002 = :
[002] 003 = (:)
[003] 005 = ((:))
[004] 007 = (::)
[005] 011 = (((:)))
[006] 013 = ((:):)
[007] 017 = ((::))
[008] 019 = (:::)
[009] 023 = ((:)(:))
[010] 029 = (((:)):)
[011] 031 = ((((:))))
[012] 037 = ((:)::)
[013] 041 = (((:):))
[014] 043 = ((::):)
[015] 047 = (((:))(:))
[016] 053 = (::::)
[017] 059 = (((::)))
[018] 061 = ((:)(:):)
[019] 067 = ((:::))
[020] 071 = (((:))::)
[021] 073 = ((::)(:))
[022] 079 = ((((:))):)
[023] 083 = (((:)(:)))
[024] 089 = ((:):::)
[025] 097 = (((:))((:)))
[026] 101 = (((:):):)
[027] 103 = ((:)(:)(:))
[028] 107 = ((::)::)
[029] 109 = ((((:)):))
[030] 113 = (((:))(:):)
[031] 127 = (((((:)))))
[032] 131 = (:::::)
[033] 137 = ((((:)))(:))
[034] 139 = (((::)):)
[035] 149 = (((:))(::))
[036] 151 = ((:)(:)::)
[037] 157 = (((:)::))
[038] 163 = ((:::):)
[039] 167 = (((:):)(:))
[040] 173 = (((:)):::)
[041] 179 = ((((:):)))
[042] 181 = ((::)(:):)
[043] 191 = (((::):))
[044] 193 = ((((:)))::)
[045] 197 = (((:))(:)(:))
[046] 199 = (((:)(:)):)
[047] 211 = ((((:))(:)))
[048] 223 = ((:)::::)
[049] 227 = ((::)(::))
[050] 229 = (((:))((:)):)
[051] 233 = (((::))(:))
[052] 239 = (((:):)::)
[053] 241 = ((::::))
[054] 251 = ((:)(:)(:):)
[055] 257 = ((((:)))((:)))
[056] 263 = ((::):::)
[057] 269 = ((:::)(:))
[058] 271 = ((((:)):):)
[059] 277 = ((((::))))
[060] 281 = (((:))(:)::)
[061] 283 = (((:)(:):))
[062] 293 = (((((:)))):)
[063] 307 = ((::)(:)(:))
[064] 311 = (::::::)
[065] 313 = (((:):)((:)))
[066] 317 = (((:::)))
[067] 331 = (((:::)))
[068] 337 = (((::))::)
[069] 347 = (((:)(:))(:))
[070] 349 = (((:))(::):)
[071] 353 = ((((:))::))
[072] 359 = ((:)(:):::)
[073] 367 = (((::)(:)))
[074] 373 = (((:)::):)
[075] 379 = (((:))((:))(:))
[076] 383 = ((:::)::)
[077] 389 = ((((:)))(::))
[078] 397 = (((:):)(:):)
[079] 401 = (((((:))):))
[080] 409 = (((:))::::)
[081] 419 = ((:)(:)(:)(:))
[082] 421 = ((((:):)):)
[083] 431 = ((((:)(:))))
[084] 433 = ((::)(:)::)
[085] 439 = (((::))((:)))
[086] 443 = (((::):):)
[087] 449 = ((((:)):)(:))
[088] 457 = ((((:))):::)
[089] 461 = (((:):::))
[090] 463 = ((((:)))(:)(:):)
[091] 467 = (((:):)(::))
[092] 479 = (((:)(:))::)
[093] 487 = (((((:))))(:))
[094] 491 = (((((:))(:))):)
[095] 499 = (((:))(:::))
[096] 503 = ((:):::::)
[097] 509 = ((((:))((:))))
[098] 521 = ((::)(::):)
[099] 523 = ((((:)))(:)(:))
[100] 541 = (((:))((:))::)
[101] 547 = ((((:):):))
[102] 557 = (((::))(:):)
[103] 563 = (((:)(:)(:)))
[104] 569 = (((:):):::)
[105] 571 = (((:))(::)(:))
[106] 577 = ((::::):)
[107] 587 = (((::)::))
[108] 593 = ((:)(:)(:)::)
[109] 599 = (((((:)):)))
[110] 601 = ((((:)))((:)):)
[111] 607 = (((:)::)(:))
[112] 613 = ((::)::::)
[113] 617 = ((((:))(:):))
[114] 619 = ((:::)(:):)
[115] 631 = (((:)(:))(:))
[116] 641 = ((((:)):)::)
[117] 643 = (((:):)(:)(:))
[118] 647 = ((((::))):)
[119] 653 = (((::))(::))
[120] 659 = (((:))(:):::)
[121] 661 = ((((:)))(((:))))
[122] 673 = (((:)(:):):)
[123] 677 = ((((:):))(:))
[124] 683 = (((((:))))::)
[125] 691 = (((:))((:))((:)))
[126] 701 = ((::)(:)(:):)
[127] 709 = ((((((:))))))
great! ok, how do these map to pandemonium? is it done by mesh number?
Posted by: northanger at February 28, 2005 03:36 AMnorthanger - Pandemonium coming, honest!
"ok, i've got it" - care to share?
yeah, yeah yeah.
um, find north star (polaris) and place gentle Lurgo there since she's in the "center" of the zodiac wheel and represents 32nd path (told ya she was important!). give me a couple of hours to check my math.
LURGO {(Terminal) Initiator - Amphidemon of Openings}
GEMINI 18º to GEMINI 26º
Fixed Stars....................
http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/new_page_1.htm
HAEDI I 18GEM38 (Charioteer)
HAEDI II 19GEM27 (Charioteer)
NIHAL 19GEM40 (Hare)
BELLATRIX "Amazon Star" 20GEM57 (Orion)
ARNEB 21GEM23 (Hare)
CAPELLA 21GEM51 (Charioteer)
PHACT 22GEM10 (Columba)
MINTAKA 22GEM24 Delta (Star in Orion's Belt)
EL NATH 22GEM35 "Shur-narkabti-sha-iltanu" (Taurus)
ENSIS 22GEM59 "Sword Sheath" (M42, The Great Orion Nebula)
HATSYA "FA" 23GEM00 (Orion)
ALNILAM 23GEM28 Epsilon (Star in Orion's Belt)
MEISSA 23GEM42 "Shining One" (Orion)
ALNITAK 24GEM41 Zeta (Star in Orion's Belt)
AL HECKA 24GEM47 Tien Kwan, the "Heavenly Gate"
northanger - keep forgetting you count in Sumero-Babylonian ;)
past time you got some back-up here on the whole 360(º) thing - lack of cosmo-visual imagination largely to blame ... (do you own a telescope?)
do you own a telescope? - nope.
first problem: i do need help mapping the p-demons to the zodiac because they handle the (a) gates, (b) primes, (c) lotus (right now you got the spheres, but not the paths).
i've been dealing with a 22-letter alphabet, not 28 (ABJAD).
22 x 22 = 484
484 / 44 = 11
possible way to map 44 of the p-demons and place LURGO as THE gate (no attributes, no letter, no nothing).
so what is the alphabet? 22 or 28 letters? those build the gates. or, maybe there's another way to do this.
Posted by: northanger at February 28, 2005 06:19 AMoh gosh! give LURGO 6 letters and have her create the holy hexagram thingy. which 6 letters?
Posted by: northanger at February 28, 2005 06:20 AMhttp://www.cyberaxis.net/assets/imgs/northanger/220/484-array.gif
{white diagonal is LURGO space}
another problem: using the ordinal values of the first 484 primes, arrange them in a table where the columns and rows equal the same number. that scramble will give you the correct PRIME SET for Pandemonium.
next problem related to this: leaving Lurgo out of the equation, what are the 22 Pandemonium Pairs?
when you have the 22 P-Demon pairs you can then assign a 22-letter array to each pair. ie, 1st of the pair begins at LURGO, second continues the array (black and gold diagonals).
hope this makes sense to you as the VNO makes sense to me. :)
Posted by: northanger at February 28, 2005 06:42 AMnorthanger - "22 x 22 = 484, 484 / 44 = 11" very neat, and tastefully traditionalistic ;)
"so ... or, maybe there's another way to do this" - that's what carriers are for, polytrack experimentalism ... lots here v. suggestive
"which 6 letters?" - Lurggo (or Lurgho)?
"using the ordinal values of the first 484 primes" - ordinal values?
argh. ok, what i can do tonight, since i have no telescope, is plot them to the zodiac.
Posted by: northanger at February 28, 2005 07:51 AMyou're probably missing all kinds of cosmic tadpoles and stuff ...
Posted by: nick at February 28, 2005 08:16 AM#00-LURGO ~ GEMINI 18º–GEMINI 26º
#01-DUODDOD ~ GEMINI 26º–CANCER 04º
#02-DOOGU ~ CANCER 04º–CANCER 12º
#03-IXIX ~ CANCER 12º–CANCER 20º
#04-IXIGOOL ~ CANCER 20º–CANCER 28º
#05-IXIDOD ~ CANCER 28º–LEO 06º
#06-KRAKO ~ LEO 06º–LEO 14º
#07-SUKUGOOL ~ LEO 14º–LEO 22º
#08-SKOODU ~ LEO 22º–LEO 30º
#09-SKARKIX ~ VIRGO 30º–VIRGO 08º
#010-TOKHATTO ~ VIRGO 08º–VIRGO 16º
#011-TUKKAMU ~ VIRGO 16º–VIRGO 24º
#012-KUTTADID ~ VIRGO 24º–LIBRA 02º
#013-TIKKITIX ~ LIBRA 02º–LIBRA 10º
#014-KATAK ~ LIBRA 10º–LIBRA 18º
#015-TCHU ~ LIBRA 18º–LIBRA 26º
#016-DJUNGO ~ LIBRA 26º–SCORPIO 04º
#017-DJUDDHA ~ SCORPIO 04º–SCORPIO 12º
#018-DJYNXX ~ SCORPIO 12º–SCORPIO 20º
#019-TCHAKKI ~ SCORPIO 20º–SCORPIO 28º
#020-TCHATTUK ~ SCORPIO 28º–SAGITTARY 06º
#021-PUPPO ~ SAGITTARY 06º–SAGITTARY 14º
#022-BUBBAMU ~ SAGITTARY 14º–SAGITTARY 22º
#023-ODDUBB ~ SAGITTARY 22º–SAGITTARY 30º
#024-PABBAKIS ~ CAPRICORN 30º–CAPRICORN 08º
#025-ABABBATOK ~ CAPRICORN 08º–CAPRICORN 16º
#026-PAPATAKOO ~ CAPRICORN 16º–CAPRICORN 24º
#027-BOBOBJA ~ CAPRICORN 24º–AQUARIUS 02º
#028-MINOMMO ~ AQUARIUS 02º–AQUARIUS 10º
#029-MUR ~ AQUARIUS 10º–AQUARIUS 18º
#030-NAMMAMAD ~ AQUARIUS 18º–AQUARIUS 26º
#031-MUMMUMIX ~ AQUARIUS 26º–PISCES 04º
#032-NUMKO ~ PISCES 04º–PISCES 12º
#033-MUNTUK ~ PISCES 12º–PISCES 20º
#034-MOMMOLJO ~ PISCES 20º–PISCES 28º
#035-MOMBBO ~ PISCES 28º–ARIES 06º
#036-UTTUNUL ~ ARIES 06º–ARIES 14º
#037-TUTAGOOL ~ ARIES 14º–ARIES 22º
#038-UNNUNDDO ~ ARIES 22º–ARIES 30º
#039-UNUNUTTIX ~ TAURUS 30º–TAURUS 08º
#040-UNUNAK ~ TAURUS 08º–TAURUS 16º
#041-TUKUTU ~ TAURUS 16º–TAURUS 24º
#042-UNNUTCHI ~ TAURUS 24º–GEMINI 02º
#043-NUTTUBAB ~ GEMINI 02º–GEMINI 10º
#044-UMMNU ~ GEMINI 10º–GEMINI 18º
01 + 22 = 23
02 + 21 = 23
03 + 20 = 23
04 + 19 = 23
05 + 18 = 23
06 + 17 = 23
07 + 16 = 23
08 + 15 = 23
09 + 14 = 23
10 + 13 = 23
11 + 12 = 23
12 + 11 = 23
13 + 10 = 23
14 + 09 = 23
15 + 08 = 23
16 + 07 = 23
17 + 06 = 23
18 + 05 = 23
19 + 04 = 23
20 + 03 = 23
21 + 02 = 23
22 + 01 = 23
23 + 45 = 68
24 + 44 = 68
25 + 43 = 68
26 + 42 = 68
27 + 41 = 68
28 + 40 = 68
29 + 39 = 68
30 + 38 = 68
31 + 37 = 68
32 + 36 = 68
33 + 35 = 68
34 + 34 = 68
35 + 33 = 68
36 + 32 = 68
37 + 31 = 68
38 + 30 = 68
39 + 29 = 68
40 + 28 = 68
41 + 27 = 68
42 + 26 = 68
43 + 25 = 68
44 + 24 = 68
45 + 23 = 68
23 + 68 = 91 = ADEPT = AOUR = BURN = CHANT =
CHAOS = FLASH = GIMEL = HANDS = HORN = JESU =
LAMAS = MAUT = MELEK = MESHA = MU'AT = NADIR =
SACRE = SUFI = VAHAN = WANGA
1-100 in Robin's far more efficient, and nullotated, program for TX2, is here:
http://www.urbanomic.com/cgi-bin/tic2.pl
Posted by: uc at February 28, 2005 02:52 PMI've added the holes too :)
The apparently semiotically trivial removal of the actual tics ( ':' symbols) definitely takes the relation with VNO notation to different places....
...but would be interested in exploring the nature of the 'reducibility' of TX2 to VNO (this would bring us right up against the 'materiality' of the primes)
Posted by: uc at February 28, 2005 03:58 PMuc - for sure.
PS. Why has 'TX' suddenly become 'TX2'? Also, 'Nullotation' short for 'Nullified Xenotation' hence '0X' unless anyone cares to argue to the contrary.
has anyone read 'the collector' by John Fowles? Just a warning: don't let Nick take you into the basement to show you his collection of numbering systems.
Posted by: uc at March 1, 2005 09:48 AM>>> has anyone read 'the collector' by John Fowles?
Years ago, i loved it.
Posted by: Azer at March 1, 2005 11:48 AM...and now you're living it, LOL!
Fowles "The Magus" one of the greatest works of novelistic hyperstition IMHO
guys and gals. we desperately need a glossary to provide instant access to the concepts and terms being used on the site. looking at the side bar on the home page i actually think we are creating more questions - 'what is ...?' i mean, most of these words have been made up in the blog - nothing wrong with this level of creativity but i feel the sire risks becoming too clicky for its own. without clear references to original posts in which many new terms emerged, a glossary is severely lacking. anyone on the case? wish i could help but feel a bit lost myself ..
Posted by: Tachi at March 4, 2005 04:15 PMsite ... for its own good ...
(and sorry not sure where this is best posted ... hence also suggested bulletin board)
Posted by: Tachi at March 4, 2005 04:17 PMTachi - "a bit lost myself" - you must be joking. that would actually make things worse if the dynamic duo ever got around to creating such an animal. they would have so much fun changing the meaning every now and again. without notice.
Posted by: northanger at March 4, 2005 06:16 PMReza will clear everything up when he gets back ...
Agree on need for glossary - i'd even forgotten what 'futhnorking' is ...
nick - [sigh] you said "deranged futhnorking gnosis of pythagorized extraterrestrialism" about northanger :(
it's obvious piet & northanger should go to another blog. we're so un(der)appreciated in the hyperstitional realm. you & tachi can be really condescending sometimes. you sniff-nosers.
Posted by: northanger at March 5, 2005 02:40 AMfuthnorking - hmm.
fu[th]nor[king]
fu[king]nor[th]
not nice.
nice not.
CONDESCENDING=WAR-AS-A-MACHINE (233)
UNAPPRECIATED=FIGURE IT OUT (250)
;)
FIGURE IT OUT: WAR-AS-A-MACHINE = SITUATING THE DISCUSSION
Posted by: northanger at March 5, 2005 05:26 PMnorthanger - think you're confusing 'futhnorking' with 'northfrikin futhnorkery' - the latter has an undeniable edge of condescension about it, but the former is respectful almost to the point of psychotic idolization ...
as you are well aware, when referring to your meticulously constructed hermetic system (though as yet only a mere presentiment of the veritable cathdral of astral science to come - gawd glory!!) as a "deranged futhnorking gnosis of pythagorized extraterrestrialism" i was under a great deal of stress and thus perhaps expressed myself - just for a moment - in terms that failed adequately to convey my sincere appreciation of your titanic efforts :))
PS. Tachi's getting pretty damn good at the AQ battles, dontcha think?
Posted by: nick at March 5, 2005 11:42 PMnick - your clever side-step manoeuvres with slippery astrofied neolemurian futhnorkisms will get you nowhere.
as far as tachibana is concerned, his limp numerology only leaves me searching a thousand plateaus. how disgusting.
can we please pin down WAR-AS-A-MACHINE in the hyperstitional endeavor (um, if there is one).
Posted by: northanger at March 6, 2005 03:10 AM>looking at the side bar on the home page i actually
>think we are creating more questions - 'what is ...?' i
>mean, most of these words have been made up in the
>blog -
yup, the de.licio.us feed = a list of categories that can only be comprehended by reading the entire archive of hyperstition (and perhaps not even then). Was going to mention this earlier but didn't want to be a killjoy...
Posted by: mrm at March 8, 2005 12:40 PM