good discussion of this over at www.chicagoboyz.net with (typically) insightful comment from Steven C. Den Beste: final 'graph:
"And when, in ten or thirty years, it all collapses around their ears, Europe will once again turn to its favorite solution to economic failure: fascism.
Feel afraid." - the rest also spot on

hmm.

"As an engineer, I know that ideas are easy. However, technology is hard. The difficult part is not figuring what you want, it's figuring out how to do it. I have a wonderful idea: let's find a cure for cancer. Now all _you_ have to do, David, is figure out how to do it. Let me know when it's ready."

northanger - different post (if you don't know that already)

i mean comment

same post, different comment

oh nick, bad news buddy, hate to break it to you so eloquently but .. .

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/03/is_the_neocons_.html IS THE NEO-CONS' STAR FADING? THE MEANING OF THE
SPLIT AT "THE NATIONAL INTEREST"

Sunday's New York Times carried a report of a
split in the hitherto neo-con journal The
National Interest, with a mass resignation of the
neo-cons from its editorial board. What does this
split portend for the future of American
neo-conservatism? We asked our friend, the
distinguished scholar Norman Birnbaum

the first (of plenny) response where I found it (lbo-talk)

Is Norman Birnbaum a professional idiot? Neo-conservatives are those
who broke with the Democratic Party in the late 1970s because it was
insufficiently aggressive in attacking the Soviet Union and defending
Israel. Larry's no more a neoconservative than Norman Birnbaum is a
ballerina...

Brad DeLong

Damn straight. Summers is a neo of a different stripe, neoliberal -- far
more more admirable .

Carl

www.leninology. blogspot.com:
>Well, since Professor* DeLong offers a declarative statement, I'll chuck in a few too:
Neoconservatism is a movement, and a variegated one at that.  It is not merely an historically specific constellation of actors who have leapt from the Democratic firmament, but an ideology with its own specific weight.
Expecting modern neoconservatives to have precisely the history adumbrated by DeLong would be like expecting modern fascists to be small German shopkeepers and ex-army outcasts.
Whether Summers is a neoconservative or not, I cannot say.  But inferring it from his position on Israel is not an unreasonable step given that its unapologetic defense is precisely the most crucial cynosure of neoconservatism at the moment.
*Another name for a professional idiot.

if you want to see the rest go here:
http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050314/005220.html 2 lines by the listmommy

P - slippery term, 'neoconservative'
I would agree with Carl (who he?), 'neoliberal' (in its European, Latin American or Chicago School sense) is better by far, but i suspect he means something else (and Clintonish?) by the word (if Summers is one, he's a singularly spineless variant of the species)

Wolfie at the World Bank has a nice End Times feel to it ... can't wait for the 'antizionist' leftoid conspiracy machine to get cranked up

nick - what are you going on about?

northanger - trying to get a rise out of 'p' - but he's probably 'too relaxed'

this is probably 'neoconservative' - in any case, it's sound:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12544386%5E7583,00.html

feeling excessively probabilistic, obviously

PS. Taheri unfair to pests, but then 'scum' would be unfair to scum (shoggothism leads to difficulties that way)

ARAB SPRING = LIBERATION = MINORITY = OBSTINANT = PAX NORDICA

wellofcourse i would havta find this one:

AQ 484 = BUDDING DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT = MULTI-LAYERED INTEGRATION = ORED DHAGIA: THE INFINITE WAYS

Hey, northanger, seen this one:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/
(link via RightWingNews, but it isn't ideological in any obvious sense, just ... gone)

thewatcherfiles.com - yup. seen it.

Carl be an LBO-talker

> Walk into any yuppie "Whole Foods" kind of store and
> the air positively
> stinks of hatred and shame. There's a reason why.

Yeah, I was there the other day and there was Cthulhu
himself in the bulk aisle. That would explain all the
nameless dread.

Andy