[ ] Fire Kass and set the Shoggoths free.
[ ] Can Kass and Set set the Shoggoths free?
[ ] Can Kass set the Shoggoths free?

is this a no-gematria zone? bioliberation is, ah, kinda tasty.

this is cool:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1437701,00.html
Mouse-human hybrids - if they start acting human, scientist promises to kill them

"no-gematria zone" - are there such things?

PS. Kass is pure Anthropol - quite a gothic writer too, think one line goes: "Shallow are the souls who have forgotten how to shudder"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/360mveat.asp
No! Promote it vigorously ...

ok. you've got poe, lear, yellow matter rights & other discordia. and here i just figured out how to work the ABJAD on the biglist and this nonsense flies by like lucy in the sky.

"We are repelled by the prospect of cloning human beings not because of the strangeness or the novelty of the undertaking, but because we intuit and we feel, immediately and without argument, the violation of things that we are right to hold dear. We sense that cloning represents a profound defilement of our given nature as procreative beings, and of the social relations built on this natural ground. We also sense that cloning is a radical form of child abuse. In this age in which everything is held to be permissible so long as it is freely done, and in which our bodies are regarded as mere instruments of our autonomous rational will, repugnance may be the only voice left that speaks up to defend the core of our humanity. Shallow are the souls that have forgotten how to shudder."

"I am the eggman, They are the eggmen, I am the walrus"

"a profound defilement of our given nature" - Yessss

"Recreationism" also superb coinage (Kass quoted in Weekly Standard article cited comment 02:10 AM (210 = COUNTDOWN))

CURRENT-266

and of course, CURRENT-210

We want our tentacles back!

crikey. of course there's no ABJAD entry on the hyperstition dynamic indexxer.

nicholas. before i was so rudely interrupted i was working an LJ post on "ERIDA" the goddess of hate, aka ERIS, the goddess of discordia. being that you two are in such tight conjugial junction, i'm sure -- if you appeal to her better side -- she will be more than happy to re-tentacle you.

AQ 82 = ERIDA = BEGIN = BEING = BEST = BODY = BOHU = DAUT = DOVE = DUAT = DUNG = ESAU = EVEN = FLAME = GULF = HADES = HERO = I DARE = KABALA = KANT = LINK = PAEAN = PLACE = SKY = TEACH = THEM

AQ 152 = TENTACLE = BAPHOMET = BLACK MAGIC = EGREGORE = CANOPUS
AQ 180 = TENTACLES = FULL MOON = THE BLACK EGG = EGREGORES = = GEOMETRY
AQ 332 = THE FLASHING SWORD

"tight conjugial junction" don't even want to imagine what this means

"tight conjugial junction"

astrology-speak: tight orb
number-speak: axioms of hyperstition

axiom? polar.

TIGHT ORB = SHOGGOTH

tight orb?

conjunctions range from 8 to 10 degrees. when two planets on same degree i use juan revilla's idea of 'reincarnation'. 1 to 3 degrees = 'tight". 4 to 10 degrees = 'loose'.

orb in the sense of a planet's sphere of influence, resonance, aura, light.

tight (within 3°)
orb (aura/influence)

Sue Ward has a good paper here:
http://www.horary.com/sward/sward5.html

"tight orb" in this sense: {a} same fixed star, {b} both retrograde, {c} same path, {d} same prime, {e} same p-demon, etc. similar pattern range (all retrograde except PHERKAD) :: NICCOLO, ERIDA, PHERKAD & IRANI.

ORB OF LIGHT = AEONIC LIGHT = PHASE-LIMIT = STRANGELY = WAHHABISTIC

NICCOLO = BABYLON
PHERKAD = AIWASS
ERIDA = HADES
IRANI = IBLIS

TIGHT ORB = SHOGGOTH
this tells me: the tighter the orb, the better. moon-antares is a tight-orb interpretation.

beginning to realize biglist is somewhat numogrammic. if yes, then tight orb relates to zones also.

OCCULTATION = SEVEN STARS = TOWER OF BABEL

imho, moon-antares occultation = tightbeam datastream burst.

NICCOLO {20Le29Rx}

INCARNATION :: ERIDA {21Le11Rx} + PHERKAD {21Le41} + IRANI {21Le51Rx}

"imho, moon-antares occultation = tightbeam datastream burst" - not sure what this means exactly, but it sounds like a fairly controversial conjecture

totally agree since asteroid 718 is ERIDA, THE STELE = 166 = TIGHTBEAM & DATASTREAM BURST = HYPERSTITIONAL.

Brain hurts (again)

At least 'p' has skunked himself into stupefaction

have a problem with a number set. is your head to achey to deal with a question?

and. came across this quote from reza that i think fits somehow - with the EU vs. USA discussion (In the rear-view mirror) and my number set problem involving ABJAD numbers:

Qabbala 101: Part 1
http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/003609.html
WoTerror and its crypts, vocabularies and diagrams cannot be thoroughly exhumed from (A-)Now if we miss the indubitable fusion of the techno-commercial Anglossic K-abbalah and the sorcerous-occultural ABJAD (in WoTerror). A versatile line is needed to squirm between the two fronts (already contaminated by each other) and engineer machinic indices of these two systems whose job is to undermine (but not erase) all political, moral and technical inclinations which obstruct the pestilential diversities teeming out of WoTerror. On the other hand, in WoTerror, there are certain entities and threads that should be primarily diagramed through ABJADs and their hyperstitional grids since they are firmly bound to the sorcerous-occultural fronts of WoTerror (Islamic Apocalypticism?) and linked to ‘regional / local’ traits and cartographies (it is very hard and sometimes problematic to trust in techno-commercial Anglossic probe-heads when they are tracking such irreducibly foreign entities).

OK, let's hear it ... [I can always just scream and chew the carpet]

PS. Does the alignment of Asmodai with H. emerge out of the arcane depths of Biglist?

"Asmodai = H" - no. happened prior. biglist just confirmed it.

creating ABJAD Gates using Jacob's Wheel alphabet formula (based on Sepher Yetzirah 231 Gates). two Jacob's Wheel spirals: involutionary and evolutionary. thought ABJAD should combine invo+evo letter pairs to match numogram - thought this pretty straight forward since number line decimal reduction = 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 pattern. however, realized 484 reduces to 7 generating number pairs that do not match Pandemonium (mesh numbers?).

JW formula uses 22-letters; here's the beginning series if 22 or 28 ABJAD letters used (as mentioned previously, 6 unused letters go to LURGGO):

22 x 22 = 484 letter pairs ------------------{8}
{1:484}, {2:483}, {3:482}, {4:481}, {5:480}, {6:479}, {7:478}, {8:477}, {9:476} ... etc.

484 DR pairs.
[1::7], [2::6], [3::5], [4::4], [5::3], [6::2], [7::1], [8::9], [9::8] ... pattern repeats

28 x 28 = 784 letter pairs ------------------{11}
{1:784}, {2:783}, {3:782}, {4:781}, {5:780}, {6:779}, {7:778}, {8:777}, {9:776}, {10:775}

784 DR pairs.
[1::1], [2::9], [3::8], [4::7], [5::6], [6::5], [7::4], [8::3], [9::2], [1::1] ... pattern repeats

(trying to think of a 9 series. start at zero: 21 x 21 = 441 = 9.
0 - 441
{0:441}, {1:441}, {2:441} .... [0::9], [1::9], [2::8]...)

correction on last line...
{0:441}, {1:440}, {2:439} .... [0::9], [1::8], [2::7]...)

ABJAD gates correspond to Goëtia-Angelica pairs changing every 5 degrees & may not match Pandemonium mesh number. ABJAD Gates set by calendar.

At least 'p' has skunked himself into stupefaction --- Haahahaah, I referred to tobacco brother nick, not the wacky weed

I am dumbfounded to be able to write in hyroglyphs now; it's a very pretty cryptomat
http://www.virtual-egypt.com/newhtml/glyph/glyph.html

[Twitchily picking shreds of carpet from teeth]And the question is ... ?

p - guessed you were doing something useful

the question: how many ABJAD letters should i use? 21 (441 ((plus 0 = 442)), 22 (484), 28 (784).

441 = 21 to the 2nd power; Sq.Rt.; Cerva AYLTh; Truth; Temurah of ADM, by Aiq Bekar AMTh; A live coal GChLTh; Day Demon of 2nd Dec. Leo LRYAR; Angel L.T.D. of Pisces RMRA
441 ACTUAL [7x63,9x49,21x21] - [21° Sagittarius]

442 = Termini Terrae APSY ARTz
442 MAAT [13x34,26x17p] - [22° Sagittarius]

484 = 22 to the 2nd power; Sq.Rt.
484 NUMEROLOGY [11x44,22x22] - [4° Aquarius]

784 = 28 to the 2nd power; Sq.Rt.; Qliphoth of Cancer ShYChRYRVN
784 CELESTIAL [7x112,14x56,28x28] - [4° Sagittarius]

http://essenes.net/gem4.html
http://essenes.net/gem5.html

via the hyper hitchhikin hypsy site

http://gypsyjournal.com

back when the angularity of the numb(err)ed days and otherwisely sized measures for time's bits and pieces hadn't racked and run up so many open sores in the word

The sheer diversity of asteroids leads to chronic overload in datastreams; my advice: take a step back ; snap a moment, slice a segment, do your best with an average, look for signs if it's decently embeddable in larger broad brush frames, then let go in favor of something you may take hold of.. .. the trouble with children afflicted with a history of not having been given enough to hold on to, shift, sweat over and see cycle into the games and guises of growth from gritty to great big; compared to the abduction/abuse issues playing up in certain channels (in no small part due to the 'residential school' crimes and such, are really dwarfed by this problem; the lack of backyard grounding is a huge crime comparable to the pang of pity some people get when the see someone with a full time job in the city feels entitled to 'keep' a dog.

A report made public yesterday says that big cities have become 7 times deadlier in a short while. Somebody was axed in london the other day.

The art of gypsification is to do with a love for the road; the road warriors want to see an end to them.

I can sympathize with either and see some common ground:

Stay on the path! It's there not to lead to exploitation and disclosure of territory it 'runs' into, but to protect (1) and bless (2) it.

1 -- stops the tramplement and hard going, allows easy long distance work; wouldn't mind seeing horsepower change to human muscle power though; big bands on the run with surpluses for and
2 -- essential (trace) requirements for the neighbours.

Roadbuilding is a cleverer way for sediment distribution than creating rivers if you think of us as humble descendants and servants of the water cycles on earth. I't a way for mud to delay sprawly flowy touchy feely gratification and brace, purge and steel itself and reach further; evolutionarily speaking, getting as far as this is a rare chance, .. .but what do we see? idiots who want to set their knife in more mobile lifeforms than rock!!! Know you no shame????

u see full?????

441 ACTUAL [7x63,9x49,21x21] - [21° Sagittarius]
CYDONIA {21Sg17}, AMANDA {21Sg19}, LEWISCARROLL {21Sg20}

442 MAAT [13x34,26x17p] - [22° Sagittarius]
http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/RasAlhague.html
RAS ALHAGUE {22Sg31}

484 NUMEROLOGY [11x44,22x22] - [4° Aquarius]
http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/Oculus.html
OCULUS {04Aq46}

784 CELESTIAL [7x112,14x56,28x28] - [4° Sagittarius]
http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/Jabbah.html
JABBAH {04Sg42}

what are you going on about P?

piet. specifically, don't know how i'm supposed to take this:

"The sheer diversity of asteroids leads to chronic overload in datastreams ... "

time haiku

nothing better to do than squeeze the obstructs
what luxury
harden the abstracts to carry obstructs to a suitable place to do so = roader age .. . dawning

well, take arguelles et all, he starts with the noble intention of keeping it simple and (numbers) 'whole' but pretty soon the fetish (4 is to 7 as 7 to 13, etcetera) fractionates and it gets grey matter contortionizingly complicated; headaches loom.

asteroid orbits, rotations etcetera simply to diverse to try specify and have hopes of time left over to actually achieve confessed aims.

Attempts to determine/place/pick out the role of individual trace minerals, supposedly redundant dna run into similar problems ; I prefer to 'make do' with a simple, coarse perhaps, trial and error mixage (magic) mimic.

http://essenes.net/subindexgarden.htm COOL!!!!

northanger - can you just choose how many Abjad letters to use? sounds kind of liberal ...

"what are you going on about P?" - belongs permanently on the sidebar

can i step back several paces on the Bigsys and ask about the merging of square (484) and triangular (231) numbers? when the system then gets redistributed on the zodiacal circle, a geometrical circuit blows in my visual cortex ... (and then there are the stars, but they seem to work like types of circles ...) [and the q. is] does 'it' have a shape /basic procedural principle for you, or is that looking at it the wrong way?

ppppp - Ne sorga, snotor guma!

"can you just choose how many Abjad letters to use? sounds kind of liberal" - AFAIK, some of them may be finals like the hebrew alphabet which has 22 letters and 5 finals. any remaining ABJAD letters are assigned to LURGGO at the center of the wheel. ((operating in ABJAD fog since reza hasn't answered Qs about this))

"merging of square (484) and triangular (231) numbers?" - what makes 484 square; 231 triangular?

[give me a minute on the rest]

http://essenes.net/vita.htm
Vita S. Antoni [Life of St. Antony] - Athanasius of Alexandria: (Written between 356 AND 362) Saint Anthony is considered the "father" of monasticism in the Western Catholic Church, although many, more Essene, monastics preceded him. He sets the example of a good Essene gardener monk by planting and nurturing a desert garden:
(Written between 356 AND 362)
And after he had prayed, he said with a shout, Here am I, Antony; I flee not from your stripes, for even if you inflict more nothing shall separate rues from the love of Christ. And then he sang, 'though a camp be set against me, my heart shall not be afraid [6].' These were the thoughts and words of this ascetic. But the enemy, who hates good, marvelling that after the blows he dared to return, called together his hounds and burst forth, 'Ye see,' said he, 'that neither by the spirit of lust nor by blows did we stay the man, but that he braves us, let us attack him in another fashion.' But changes of form for evil are easy for the devil, so in the night they made such a din that the whole of that place seemed to be shaken by an earthquake, and the demons as if breaking the four walls of the dwelling seemed to enter through them, coming in the likeness of beasts and creeping things. And the place was on a sudden filled with the forms of lions, bears, leopards, bulls, serpents, asps, scorpions, and wolves, and each of them was moving according to his nature. The lion was roaring, wishing to attack, the bull seeming to toss with its horns, the serpent writhing but unable to approach, and the wolf as it rushed on was restrained; altogether the noises of the apparitions, with their angry ragings, were dreadful. But Antony, stricken and goaded by them, felt bodily pains severer still. He lay watching, however, with unshaken soul, groaning from bodily anguish; but his mind was clear, and as in mockery he said, 'If there had been any power in you, it would have sufficed had one of you come, but since the Lord hath made you weak you attempt to terrify me by numbers: and a proof of your weakness is that you take the shapes of brute beasts.' And again with boldness he said, 'If you are able, and have received power

Seems obvious Cernunnos was drafted to play supporting though demonized cast; he was obviously crushing rock and as tales go, with 'instant' result (being known as lord of animals); 'he' (read: people acting out this archetype) must have still been very active around that time.

see also: the beautiful Rops painting 'temptation of st anthony' http://images.g00gle.com/images?q=rops+anthony&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

yup somebody around (judgement)calls g00gle questionable again

Rops was to write again with regard to this work: "Here is more or less what I wanted Satan to say to the good Anthony (...) I want to show you that you are mad Anthony, to worship your abstractions!"

"when the system then gets redistributed on the zodiacal circle, a geometrical circuit blows in my visual cortex" (a) mine too, (b) a circle can contain many shapes, (c) there are a variety of patterns; biglist only covers teeny fraction.

"(and then there are the stars, but they seem to work like types of circles ...)" - fixed stars as opposed to planets, asteroids, etc? each planet or asteroid has a cycle; asteroid families describe patterns in the midbelt; see lagrange points (got links to some sims, let me look them up) kozai named for astronomer - describes a type of protection mechanims

http://copernico.dm.unipi.it/~milani/maratea/node5.html

fixed stars do move, a little. so they "function" differently.

"[and the q. is] does 'it' have a shape /basic procedural principle for you, or is that looking at it the wrong way?" - i think every astrologer has a procedural principle (?). mine: Liber AL I:3. Every man and every woman is a star. that means every decision in the system should support Liber I:3. the shape? we live in a "complex (chaotic) multiverse" - what shape is that?

actually, i'm almost done with the biglist. then, i will move to jetbox one and implement a website for beloved sister. working on biglist sharpens the mind for the real work. haha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_planet
http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~marcsulf/asteroid/asteroid.html

hopefully, some of these links illustrate the resonating, cyclical, pattern-inducing behavior of the planets & asteroids.

http://www.crystalinks.com/asteroids.html
http://www.easysky.de/eng/screenshots/ess06.htm

http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~s24/hilda.htm
Typical Hilda asteroids are captured in the 3/2 resonance of mean motion with respect to that of Jupiter. In numerical studies on the long-period evolution of Hilda-type orbits Schubart (1982, 1991) has introduced three parameters that appear to characterize an orbit during very long intervals of time, in analogy to the proper elements of orbits of non-resonant asteroids

Resonance in Planetary Orbits
http://astro.nmsu.edu/~nicole/teaching/ASTR505/lectures/lecture12/slide01.html
Stability: We define stability within the solar system as a state wherein the orbits of bodies remain well separated, and the planets will remain bound to the Sun for an infinite amount of time.

Chaos: Two trajectories that are arbitrarily close in phase space will diverge exponentially with time. In a chaotic system, the timescale for divergence is independent of the precise values of the initial conditions.

that last link is the best you posted so far; it rocks!!!!

Go to a(n active) quarry and see if that doesn't return the drillthrillfavor for ya

btw, asteroid HILDA (prototype: hilda family of asteroids) @ HILDA 21Le37Rx conjunct ERIDA. HILDA family describes a triangle. will add her to the biglist later today.

whoops, I meant this one: http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~marcsulf/asteroid/asteroid.html what's the red and blue dot stand for?????

northanger -
assuming:
(1) triangles (e.g. 231 = triangle 21, qabbalistic triangle 22) derived from (non-redundant non-positional) combinatorics - (of Hebrew alphabet?)
(2) squares (e.g. 484 = square 22) appropriate to Goetian Table (?? - way out of my depth, think you showed me one but it was pulsing too psychedelically to assimilate)
- aren't you already quite tightly locked into 22?
- remember you doing some 484/11 = 44 Pandemonium interlock
- head swirling at how assimilation to 360 happens
- then there're the digital reductions (how do they work?)
- [systems crash]

What's sis's site going to be about? (Can we head over there to contaminate it with Cthulhu prophecy and senseless gematria computations?)

wait, the Hilda resonance one is of an even wilder order to fit easily within unbudgably embedding borders.

THANKS!!!

p. "red and blue dot" - dunno.
:))

http://astro.nmsu.edu/~nicole ETCETERA .. .NOT FOUND

- aren't you already quite tightly locked into 22?
- remember you doing some 484/11 = 44 Pandemonium interlock

this sells me on 22:

looking at ABJAD table, 1st and 2nd cols from left, totals are 81/2700 and 72/1800. if 484 gates used, these 6 would be assigned to LURGGO. asteroid #153 HILGA (81+72=153) and asteroid #4500 PASCAL (2700 + 1800).

HILGA named for Saint Hilga--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_of_Whitby

PASCAL {17Ta07} named for Blaise Pascal born 19-June (hyperstition's birthday)--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal

- head swirling at how assimilation to 360 happens

believe the idea is LURGGO is doing something to the circle - as i work this, should figure that out.

- then there're the digital reductions (how do they work?)

you mean this stuff?
[1::7], [2::6], [3::5], [4::4], [5::3], [6::2], [7::1], [8::9], [9::8]

after all ABJAD assignments made there should be two sets of letter pairs, 1 going forward, 1 going backward. each of these [7::1] thingys will have 4 ABJAD letters (2-letter pairs) and represent a DOUBLE GATE. then, starting from 01-April-1904 cycle to present day to determine (for 03-March-2005) occultation gate. then, take biglist and for every quinary (5 degrees) add a gate to divide biglist into 12 HOUSES (each quinary has a gate ruled by so-and-so). once that is determined, other Enochian relationships (ie, Bonorum = sorta work like Venusian Time Lords) can be determined. GATE determines Chakra, Planet, Letter-Pairs that can be used to go in and out of GATES (hyperstitionally speaking of course!) -- GATES are TIME PORTALS.

very complicated. but keeps my brain cells jumping.

"What's sis's site going to be about? (Can we head over there to contaminate it with Cthulhu prophecy and senseless gematria computations?)"

rotflmao. hey. just say the word and i'll leave ya alone. sis site is non-profit simple thing, going to use projectseven.com maxwell pack:

http://www.projectseven.com/products/fastpacks/maxwell/index.htm

fun thing is getting maxwell into jetbox one:

http://jetbox.streamedge.com/

i'll write up the saga on my livejournal.

"http://astro.nmsu.edu/~nicole ETCETERA .. .NOT FOUND" - sorry piet, grabbed that stuff from a file dated 10-Nov-2003.

"wait, the Hilda resonance one is of an even wilder order to fit easily within unbudgably embedding borders." -- think i understand you. and that's why i like the 484 pattern. AFAIK, the HILGA family of asteroids have a very stable orbit, very recognizable orbit.

gate gate lifetime slate, who oh who done ate the pearly gate?

I get it; this is all a game of mentally limbering up for the real work and getting stuck in gate galore gauntlet gamot

since i was using ABJAD & this relates to the Numogram, wanted to get feedback on direction. 484 it is (using 22 letters to generate gates, and assign remaining 6 letters to LURGGO representing "hilga" & "pascal") - remember LURGO describes a holy hexagram and the HILGA's describe a triangle and there's PASCAL's Triangle.

((lol, just figured that out - thanks! doh, it takes me awhile))

"gate galore gauntlet gamot" - fraid so. jetbox implementation is going to be a challenge.

ok. nighty night piet. bye nicky.

oops. LURGGO. sorry.

nacht nacht gawaindolein

crikey! HILGA = ERIDA.
rotflmao. PASCAL = BADIOU. (i knew he was baaaad)

how come you mix d and g? (hilgda)

me bad. HILDA = BINAH = SIX = ALLAH = GERM

hilda is shield(carrier) .. .sancho panza sorta thingk

apologies for confusion. asteroid #522 HELGA based on Piet's Tzolkin Diagonal discovery

http://www.tortuga.com/ur/quran.html
only one diagonal defined; however, 3 more diagonals (beginning at 2, 7 & 14) create "inner diamond" with numbers: 110+111+129+130+131+132+150+151 = 1044 (TEUTONIA); 129+130+131+132 = 522 (HELGA).

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/ABJAD-table.html
asteroid #153 HILDA refers to totals in first two columns of ABJAD table (81 + 72).

and now .. . .to your utte befuddlement and may it a b muse and c on fuse you yeah, even unto murmurationing: google's only (no images doesn't do whacks and you can't even claim the other one yet cause the google spiders have, despite my presence, not taken a liking to you all just yet ((and I can see why quite frankly)); it takes one single hit for word combination so I can't write it here again), a

oops, www.karmaresources.com/lifespread.html

YO. ..ahahahahahhaha, . .. .this page tells me my birthcard is the same as .. . .. George Bush's environment card for the period between june 03 and 04!!!!!!! Wow, glad you noticed, georgie!!!!!!!! Come again anytime.

Your Environment Card
Your Environment Card represents someone or something that will act in a
beneficial manner for you throughout the year. It is an area where things will
come easily to you, something or someone to be grateful for. It is always a good
thing regardless of what card it is. You will collect good things from this card all
year long.

http://www.scienceofthecards.com/Samples/BookDestiny.pdf

looking for these 'spreads' one runs into Robert Camp every which where you end up; I approached him once about the diagonal phenomena but he wasn't interested due to low opinion of Arguelles which I thought a shame(fully washed ((away)) baby)

picture of mundane spread = PMS

what are u on tonight?

what's pms? - early morn here; have to leave in 10 minutes

have a good day!

I get it, pms is an abbreviation; how clever; we'll get through the war this way won't we?

see ya in a few weeks

have a safe trip.

::what war?::

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/03/schiavo_nader_a.html>

New from DIRELAND, March 25, 2005

SCHIAVO: NADER ALLIES HIMSELF WITH THE CHRISTERS

Ralph Nader today has joined the Christers in opposing the removal of Terri
Schiavo's feeding tube--and has linked up with a right-winger with unsavory
connections to do it.

You may recall Ralph's unprincipled hooking up with the cult-racket formerly
known as the New Alliance Party to help get him on the ballot for his '04
presidential campaign. Well, now he's up to his old tricks of making an
unholy alliance, this time with the conservatives.

Nader's intervention in the Schiavo case came in a joint statement with one
Wesley J. Smith. And who, you may well ask, is Mr. Smith? A conservative
bio-ethicist who contributes to the Weekly Standard and the National Review,
Smith is a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute--one of whose
co-founders and prime movers is the ultra-conservative economics writer
George Gilder, famous for his anti-feminist and anti-homosexual ravings
(Gilder is also noted for such statements as "A successful economy depends
on the proliferation of the rich," and "Real poverty is less a state of
income than a state of mind.") Smith's official bio also lists him as a
"special consultant" to another right-wing think-tank called the Center for
Bioethics and Culture, peopled by Southern Baptists and other Christers, and
whose national director, Jennifer Lahl, is an associate of born-again
convicted Watergate criminal Charles "Chuck" Colson, and an adjunct fellow
of Colson's Wilberforce Forum.

Now what does Ralph say in his joint statement with the dubious Mr. Smith?
Among other things:

"A profound injustice is being inflicted on Terri Schiavo," Nader and Smith
asserted today. "Worse, this slow death by dehydration is being imposed upon
her under the color of law, in proceedings in which every benefit of the
doubt-and there are many doubts in this case-has been given to her death,
rather than her continued life."

Benefit of the doubt, says Ralph? Why, before the Bush-Rove-DeLay
intervention by ukase in the Schiavo case, in the eight years that Terri's
husband has been seeking to legally fulfill her wishes not to live as a
vegetable, the case was before 19 different courts. Seven different
neurologists appointed by those courts found that Schiavo is, in essence,
already dead in everything but name. The cortex of Schiavo's brain, they all
affirmed, was completely "liquefied, and she can neither feel, sense, nor
think," as the Washington Post wrote in summarizing their findings. Since
the Washington Republicans' attempt to interfere with the intimate, private
decision made by Schiavo and her husband, the Schiavo case has been before
half a dozen more courts--including the U.S. Supreme Court, which found no
reason to review the findings of the lower courts, thereby effectively
affirming them. Schiavo has already had many, many more hearings than your
average prisoner on death row (not that I'd begrudge them a single one).

But Ralph and his new right-wing buddy insist that, "This outrageous order
proves that the courts are not merely permitting medical treatment to be
withheld, it has ordered her to be made dead." No, Ralph, the courts have
ordered that Schiavo be treated in the manner she wished, and in the
merciful manner that her own doctors have recommended for eight long
years--that she cease to kept artificially in a simulacrum of life because
doing so makes the religious nuts, including her parents, feel better. The
courts have ruled that her doctors be allowed to let her escape from the
lifeless prison of her body.

Nader and Smith's press release asserts that, to know "whether Terri can be
improved with therapy....there is only one way to know for sure- permit the
therapy." But, in the first seven of Schiavo's 15 years as a vegetable, she
had that therapy, extensively. As ABC News reported in its profile of
Schiavo's husband:

"When doctors determined that Terri had entered a persistent vegetative
state, Michael flew Terri to California for experimental surgical
treatments, sleeping on a cot in her hospital room.

"Even after doctors in California determined surgery would do nothing to
help Terri, Michael continued to seek help. He admitted Terri to a Florida
brain-injury center and hired an aide to take her out to parks and museums,
in the hope it might stimulate her reawakening. It didn't." Fortunately, it
now appears that science and reason have triumphed over religious
superstition and anti-rational knownothingism, and that Terri Schiavo's
15-year long Calvary --which encompasses the trauma inflicted as well on her
loyal, loving husband and her daughter -- will soon be over.

Ralph will do almost anything these days, and ally himself with almost
anyone, to get attention. Nader's stomach-turning intervention on the side
of the irrational in the Schiavo case is just one more piece of evidence of
the path to kook-dom on which he has placed himself. I deeply regret having
endorsed him for president twice.

Posted by Doug Ireland at 06:30 PM

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George Gilder noted in the Doug Ireland blog entry wasn't always
such a loon. The late leftish economist Robert Lekachman who knew
Gilder in the 70's, said in a review of, "Wealth and Poverty, " in The
Nation that Gilder back then was active in the Ripon Society Edited
their Ripon Forum.. The Riponites were the vestiges of liberal
Republicans ala Javits, Charles "Mac" Mathias, John Lindsey.
http://www.gildertech.com/newpublic/editors.html
>...Over the past several years, he has dismissed many of the most
touted new technologies—from HDTV and interactive television to 3DO
game machines and CD-I multimedia, from TDMA wireless and Nextel
cellular compression to pervasive ATM (asynchronous transfer mode)
networks. Embraced instead: All-optical networks, smart radios,
Qualcomm digital wireless, Stratacom frame relay, mediaprocessors,
Netscape browsers, and Sun's Java programming language.

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I live in 70044 Las Vegas, Nevada. Have you been here before?